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Post by tgmexpertnot on Apr 21, 2012 11:10:00 GMT -5
Not insignificant. This is the best video I've seen, not really any diagrams around.
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Post by Pete Hurrikane on Apr 21, 2012 11:32:28 GMT -5
Thanks,
I've watched this clip before.
So you reckon there are no outlined details for effects of vertical AoA.
Now that just makes me suspicious. How can we explain the ball flight to students if we are not sure what happens due to these effects which are apparently very significant.
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Post by madmax on Apr 21, 2012 11:40:40 GMT -5
Hi Pete, you state: "The OBFL always assumes the clubface is aligned to the swing path".
What part of Faldo's statement: "Align the club face to the target and align the feet to where you would like the ball to start." is it that you don't understand? Is it that aligning the feet sets the swing path or what?
I think you are deeply confused.
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Post by Pete Hurrikane on Apr 21, 2012 13:10:06 GMT -5
Hi Pete, you state: "The OBFL always assumes the clubface is aligned to the swing path". What part of Faldo's statement: "Align the club face to the target and align the feet to where you would like the ball to start." is it that you don't understand? Is it that aligning the feet sets the swing path or what? I think you are deeply confused. Max, you are confused. We are talking about face angles to path. Check your facts and look at the OBFL diagram again before you hurl criticism. Faldo openly describes how he shapes a shot, however this is not how they are described in the OBFL.
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Post by tgmexpertnot on Apr 21, 2012 13:15:49 GMT -5
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Post by liman on Apr 21, 2012 13:33:32 GMT -5
According to the old way. To hit a fade you align your body towards the left of the target and aim the face towards the target, this would produce an open face in relation with the body, and that would be the reason of the "high fade".
According to the right way, to hit a fade you wouldn't need to open the face and aim at the target, you aim the face and body left and swing inside out.
So what would be the reason of the "high" fade?
As I think it, in theory, a good executed fade should fly as high as a good draw, because we are not closing or opening the face.
Any comment on this?
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Post by Pete Hurrikane on Apr 21, 2012 13:47:44 GMT -5
According to the old way. To hit a fade you align your body towards the left of the target and aim the face towards the target, this would produce an open face in relation with the body, and that would be the reason of the "high fade". According to the right way, to hit a fade you wouldn't need to open the face and aim at the target, you aim the face and body left and swing inside out. So what would be the reason of the "high" fade? As I think it, in theory, a good executed fade should fly as high as a good draw, because we are not closing or opening the face. Any comment on this? Liman, I think, like me, the confusing NBFL are unclear to you as well. I may be wrong but I believe the (right way?) NBFL describe the pull fade/slice as swinging out to in with the face aiming at the target, making it open at impact. Sorry, I'm not really sure what point you were making regarding fade and draw. [/a] [/quote] Thanks again, I think I've got it now. My ball's on the fairway, 150 yds out from the pin, there's no wind (that's at least a relief), I picked out my line and I am about to play my approach. During my back swing I remember that I forgot to put in the calculations for SDA and start again. My playing partners are now on the next tee saying that they will be reporting me to the committee for slow play and if I continue to find ways of slowing down the game even more they won't play with me again. Is it me or is this stuff just laughably pathetic. I thought it was bad enough trying to control face angles relative to path but now I have to add calculations for downward hitting angles. If we continue, there will have to be a machine to calculate wind speed, humidity and other environmental changes from hour to hour. I can imagine the brainiacs who invent the environmental device will say, "You know they used to throw grass in the air to monitor this."
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Post by tgmexpertnot on Apr 21, 2012 14:21:54 GMT -5
Um...ok?
Pete, Laughably pathetic is looking back at the horrendous golf lessons I was getting as my college golf career was spiraling into the dumpster hearing garbage like being off plane at P3 when I really needed to hear whats going on through impact.
All I was trying to do was show you some calculations that say basically you have to make actual adjustments for aim. I'm not saying bust out a calculator and do a calculus problem each time you swing.
It's your journey you can listen to whatever you want. All I'd suggest is from your quote, "I thought it was bad enough trying to control face angles relative to path but now I have to add calculations [adjustments] for hitting angles?" well friend that's golf so I'd get comfortable with it as soon as possible.
Best of luck to you.
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Post by tgmexpertnot on Apr 21, 2012 14:32:40 GMT -5
On a recreational level, I thought it was a game where we hit a rubber ball, with a stick, back and forth across a wide field. When did it turn into a micro-science where we need machines to see things that we can't physically monitor or repeat with any consistency.
Just saying
P1 - address position P2 - when the shaft is parallel to the ground (backswing) P3 - when left arm is parallel to the ground (backswing) P4 - top position P5 - when left arm is parallel to ground (downswing) P6 - when the shaft is parallel to ground (downswing) P7 - impact P8 - when club is parallel to ground (follow through) P9 - when left arm is parallel to ground (follow through) P10 - finish
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